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by SpringFever on May 03, 2006 04:21 AM
I have had a grape vine for 2 years. I don't know if I am doing something wrong it gets leaves but never any fruit it is small and don't look very healthy .. I use miracle grow on it..
I am sure one of you can give me some helpful advice!!
I can take a pic it you need one..

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by 'Sparagus on May 03, 2006 09:43 AM
I have a few, and they are a couple years old (like 3??) and no fruit yet. Maybe this year....

One of them used to be in an area where there was bad drainage, and it looked pretty sad. Got leaves, but they were small, and not lots of new growth. When I moved it to a better spot last year, which was a little less sunny, but has great drainage, it really took off!! So Im hopeful.

I dont know much about feeding, but havent really heard all the best about Miracle Grow. Too many salts...(im sure someone can explaine better).

So, maybe you would consider moving it. I can say that they seem pretty hardy and dont mind being uprooted. Just my experience!

Good luck!!

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by DeepCreekLake on May 03, 2006 11:46 AM
Are you doing any pruning on the grape vines yet?
by SpringFever on May 03, 2006 12:10 PM
I have never pruned them cause I was affraid it would get worse to be honest ... it really is scrawny...

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by SpringFever on May 03, 2006 12:17 PM
 - Here is a pic if it helps at all ..
It has pretty much been the same size as when I bought it ..

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by joegardener on May 03, 2006 03:05 PM
My dad grew grapes on a what was called a grape barber in full sun, the grapes would hang down and they were easy to pick My mom made jelly with them (purple) the vines grew fast a 10 by 15 ft barber was covered with vines in 2 years you do have to prune old wood after you get grapes he never fertilized, hope maybe this helps.
by dodge on May 03, 2006 03:25 PM
springfeaver,

Dont know about the grapes, but i do like the Trillis.......ha ha

I have a Huge arbor , but it been up so long, I cant remember the beginning......I trimmed it last winter vigorously.. You cannot cut them back after February... They will weep to death.
Yep they really drip . Might be a soil problem.
dodge

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by SpringFever on May 03, 2006 03:35 PM
Thanks ...

Dodge it was a cheap trellis .. family dollar I thing ...
I heard about the weeping so I didn't prune it
Has to be the soil..

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by dodge on May 03, 2006 04:02 PM
Springfeaver,

Type in Growing grapes in your search box and it may show you, requirements......Actually I neglect mine.. THey need to be replaced.. Each year we get less and less.

dodge

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by Wrennie on May 04, 2006 01:31 AM
were the roots in a ball when you planted it? maybe they need to be fanned out?

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by SpringFever on May 04, 2006 01:33 AM
Wrennie I planted it fine ... I am thinking I might have to pull it and replant it somewhere else.. then I was reading they need a lot of nitrogen so I need to buy some fertalizer..

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by dodge on May 04, 2006 05:23 AM
Springfeaver,

I tried new ones 2 years ago..

They are standing still..

dodge

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by dodge on May 04, 2006 05:24 AM
Springfeaver,

Yesterday you sent me a message and the computer would not allow me on .. it said I didnt have a account????????????

Dum da dum dum.

dodge

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by Deborah L. on May 04, 2006 05:53 AM
Wouldn't a grape vine want fruit tree food? I'm only guessing.
What does weeping mean?
You know what always confuses me? PRUNING. The blooms and fruits on old wood vs. on new wood thing. I never can get all that to penetrate my brain cells. What's left of them.... [Big Grin]

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by SpringFever on May 04, 2006 06:36 AM
Hmm Unreal my parents have them and they grow worse than weeds???
the prune thing forget about it I can't grasp that one either Deborah...

Dodge on my e-mail or PM ?? Bazzar!! hmm

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by dodge on May 04, 2006 06:43 AM
Deborah L.

Grape vines needs loose soil like sandy or clay topsoil.. Good drainage.Open spaces with lots of sun..
To plant dig hole and fill with peatmoss and soil and manure and water well..Just plant it at the same depth as it was before.. Just to the neck,..
First year use ammonia nitrate...to Fertilize.
That is the plant food.........
Weeping means it crys a wet solution an it might kill them.. If you cut them in the winter before the spring buds come on , your safe.
Pruning is tricky........
I heard a million stories on dead and live wood.
Some one says the old wood makes the best sweetest grapes????????California winery?
I prune them , but I am not sure how to do it> ;O)

Dodge

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by SpringFever on May 04, 2006 06:48 AM
Then wouldn't you want to keep the old wood??

Now I am Just totally confused..
maybe I should just stick to the raspberries LOL

Maybe I should pill it and double check if I did it the right way??

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by dodge on May 04, 2006 08:29 AM
Springfeaver,

Some old wood is ok........but you must keep the main branch and let new grow out of it .. Sweeter..

dodge?

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by Deborah L. on May 04, 2006 09:00 AM
LOL, Spring, I'm not alone in my pruning confusion.
Thanks, Dodge, for the info.

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by dodge on May 04, 2006 09:28 AM
Deb,Springfeaver,

lets post for a happy pruner........
dodge

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by Deborah L. on May 04, 2006 09:38 AM
Yes, let's ! I'm scared to prune my new wisteria, even though directions have been posted here.
I'm scared to prune anything ! My potted citrus and roses, I'm OK with them though.

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by dodge on May 04, 2006 09:44 AM
Deb,Springfeaver,

lets post for a happy pruner........
dodge

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by SpringFever on May 04, 2006 10:11 AM
Yeah we should Dodge...
Wisteria Deborah .. that is something I am more familiar with, you only cut 2year old branches or vines... see they only grow on 2 year old growth
which means I have blooms this year, after they bloom I cut only those branches off, and let the old ones grow ... cause I am possitive those are the old ones and I am affraid to cut any others.. did that make any sense at all??

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by SpringFever on May 04, 2006 10:12 AM
Do you happen to have a lime deb? if so I was just wondering if it had thorns ?? Mine does.

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by SpringFever on May 04, 2006 10:35 AM
I posted prunning for happy fruit ...

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by dodge on May 04, 2006 12:06 PM
Deb,
What citrus do you have potted/

I like to know more about you.......Maybe we can all swap.. Springfeaver, what do you have beside a grape?/;o)

dodge

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by DeepCreekLake on May 04, 2006 12:21 PM
Pruning causes new growth, which grapes will fruit on. Most of my books, say grapes need heavy pruning including the old wood.
by SpringFever on May 04, 2006 12:26 PM
Deepcreek ... mine has not really grown at all..
does that mean I should chop it right down every winter??

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by SpringFever on May 04, 2006 12:28 PM
dodge I have raspberries,blueberries,a sad grape,asparagus, a small no produce age lemon and lime...

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by dodge on May 04, 2006 12:38 PM
Spring

How do your blueberries make out?

Mine are sour and never seem to grow.

b

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by dodge on May 04, 2006 12:40 PM
Spring

How do your blueberries make out?

Mine are sour and never seem to grow.

b

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by SpringFever on May 04, 2006 12:44 PM
They are 5 years old now and just starting to get not sour... try putting a few table spoons of sugar at the roots during bloom Dodge!
Also I got a dwarf variety and once they set fruit even if they are sour pick every last one.. for more the next season.. I don't know if it really works but I get more and more every year .. they grow wild here and that is what Keith told me to do..

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by joegardener on May 06, 2006 02:50 PM
most fruits like grages rasberries and such fruit best on 2 year wood, after that they produce less and less so you prune that to promote new growth. the new growth will take 2 years to produce good friut. if you prune each year after they get growing good you will be pruning some limbs but not all. do not cut the main stalk just the limbs.
by SpringFever on May 08, 2006 02:22 AM
Ohhh that is good to know Joe.. haha made a funny! so If I get fruit that is the best limb to cut is the one with fruit..or should I trim it the fallowing year when it starts to produce less??

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by dodge on May 08, 2006 02:51 AM
Springfeaver,

now you can teach me..ha ha h

Happy earth day..

;o)

dodge

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by joegardener on May 08, 2006 04:02 AM
The vines will produce for more than just that second year. pruning them is kind of a guessing game. when you see that they look like they they are not getting good growth on the vine (leafs)or fruit then cut it back. you might not have to cut them back to the main stalk. sometimes you might trim half way a quarter or whatever. like I said it kind of a guessing game. but pruning will promote new and more growth
by dodge on May 08, 2006 04:51 AM
Yes but your not to prune till the wood is dead.. Now what/

dodge

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by SpringFever on May 08, 2006 07:58 AM
Hey ya all thanks .. I wish I could draw a picture and hold a prunning lottery!
dodge .. I am gonna hold my breath and trim it up in the winter .. thanks

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by dodge on May 08, 2006 08:21 AM
Spring feaver,

After the grapes was done and froze, i put the clippers to mine....They were awful thick, and I cut away the extras....Let the main stem..It has black rot or whatever that is......Who knows.
Now I read they need lots of sun so I made it thinner.
I have 8 posts......Now I decided to put my clematis on the 4 poles..LOL.....Maybe they can sweeten it up.;o)

dodge

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by SpringFever on May 08, 2006 09:29 AM
haaha .. I hear you ... have you ever thought about or heard the sugar thing Dodge?

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by dodge on May 08, 2006 09:52 AM
springfeaver,

Yes someone said it on here..Was that you?

Do you have a nice mall to play in out there is maine?

We have some, but I prefer the one store at a time things....
dodge

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by SpringFever on May 08, 2006 09:55 AM
I live in Massachusetts Dodge.. and yeah we go to the mall all the time when it is cold or raining out so the kids can get exercise.. they love it !

I read it in a magazine.. I should post it and ask..

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by dodge on May 08, 2006 10:01 AM
some one did say that on here ,

My man says no way will it work.. Sorry Massa.

What are the ages now? Kids love to run ..

I dont do well with grapes, or blueberrys.. Strawberrys are ok..

dodge

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by SpringFever on May 08, 2006 10:04 AM
I am going strawberry too .. I said that actually asked about it .. don't think it would work either... my Kiddies are 11 4 and 2 .. the little ones love to run!

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by dodge on May 08, 2006 12:22 PM
Enjoy the little buggers, they grow up fast..
I make strawberry jam alot , grape jelly, raspberry......I dug up about 50 wild raspberry plants an put them in my wild part of the yard /..We love the jam.. I mix wild with tame and we love it.

I am a do it myselfer....When my son was in school he use to have me make his clothes , so he could be different than the other kids.

;o)
dodge

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by SpringFever on May 09, 2006 12:39 AM
That is awsome Dodge.. I sew but the fabric is soo expensive [nutz]
My hubby likes to make Raspberry Mead which is kind of like wine but you use Honey and raspberries.. soo I got him some..
The grape has been growing a lot better I was thinking and a few years ago my Oldest son was pulling the leaves off it.. I think the poor thing was crying to death,and is just now getting strong again.

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by dodge on May 09, 2006 12:52 AM
Thanks ,......

It is my life, natural living. I am not into hand quilting, but mess with my own version of coverlets.. Will send a photo later of my favorite.

dodge

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by SpringFever on May 09, 2006 01:24 AM
Dodge I am on my way to work yet again .. ugg maybe if it is slow I will get a chance to get on here ...
I wish it was easier to live more natural in the big city.. haha but there is just no real way!
Especially when you don't have the room to grow all that you want! that is why I grow so many flowers to escape !! hahaa

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